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Ragsdale Surname DNA Project

 

Another genealogical / family history endeavor of Michael Ragsdale

The Ragsdale Surname DNA Project is the combined effort of Michael Ragsdale, RagsdaleFamily.org, FamilyTreeDNA, and ALL the Ragsdale researchers who will make this endeavor a resounding success.

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Record of Updates, re: the Ragsdale Surname DNA Project

 
Sept. 3, 2012

Update on the Ragsdale DNA Surname Project

There now are 20 participants in the project, who align into four small groups and one large one.  The five groups have been assigned colors.  The green (participant 103934), purple (60715), and brown (163111) groups have only one participant apiece.  The orange group has three participants (49632, 57688, and 115696).  Finally, the yellow group has 14.  On the basis of its size and the fact that the participants descend from many different lines from Godfrey Ragsdale, I conclude that the yellow group represents his haplotype.  The remaining groups either represent unrelated Ragsdale lines or descents from Godfrey Ragsdale with the occurrence of a nonpaternal event somewhere along the line.

All 14 members of the yellow group were tested at the 12 marker level, and 12 of these sets of results agree (12 matches out of 12 markers, or 12/12).  We can conclude that Godfrey Ragsdale had these same 12 marker values:  13, 23, 14, 12, 11, 15, 12 ,12, 12, 13, 13, 29.  These values are characteristic of the haplogroup R1b1a2.  As yet, no participant has bought the more advanced haplogroup tests, which could define the group more fully.  The R1b1a2 haplogroup is highly characteristic of the original inhabitants of the British Isles, as well as western Europe.  Its frequency in Wales is 92%, Ireland 85%, Scotland 71%, southeastern England 70%, and as high as 90% in parts of northwestern England.  Its frequency is 70-90% in Spain and 60% in France.  It is below 45% in Denmark, Netherlands, Italy, and Bavaria.  It is likely that our Ragsdales descended from the original occupants of the British Isles, rather than Viking or Anglo-Saxon stock. 

Twelve of the participants have been tested for 37 markers.  Five of these men agree in all 37 markers (37/37), most likely defining the haplotype of Godfrey Ragsdale to the 37-marker level.  Only two participants have been tested for more than 37 markers, so there is not enough information to draw conclusions at these higher levels.  At the 37 marker level, mutations become more common.  Three participants have values at CDYb of 39, whereas the Godfrey haplotype has 38.  It is likely that this mutation occurred on a single branch, so that these three men share that common branch.  There are three instances of two participants sharing a single common mutation, respectively at DYS391 with values of 11 rather than 12, at DYS456 with 18 instead of 17, and at DYS576 with 17 instead of 18.  Finally, there are eight participants with single mutations from Godfreyís haplotype.  With larger numbers of participants, it might be possible in the future to use these mutations to distinguish specific lines of descent.

After several years of testing, it is rewarding that we can confidently assign the first 37 markers to Godfrey Ragsdale, that we have a haplogroup (R1b1a2) well defined, and that mutations patterns are beginning to show up that might help define specific lines

 

                                                                        Joseph B. Lambert

7 January 2010

New Chart as supplied by Dr. Lambert

 

Joseph B. Lambert
Department of Chemistry
2145 Sheridan Road
Northwestern University
Evanston, IL 60208-3113
Telephone: 1-847-491-5437
Fax: 1-847-491-7713
http://chemgroups.northwestern.edu/lambert/

27 November 2008

We have new participant, #137974 and are awaiting his results (37-markers, expected to begin release in late December 2008).

We now have seventeen (17) y-DNA participants in the Ragsdale Surname DNA project ... thanks to each and everyone of you!

From my "non-scientific" perspective it appears that we are continuing to zero in on the Godfrey line as it were.

3 June 2008

I have received another update from a scientific perspective from Dr. Joseph Lambert, our resident "DNA guru."

________________________

The situation has not changed a lot since I wrote 15 months ago, although we have more data that confirm those conclusions.  As of June 1, 2008, there are 13 participants, two of whom are statistical outliers.  Participant 103934 has the surname Morris but was hoping to prove a Ragsdale connection through adoption.  His DNA indicates that he is not of the two major US Ragsdale lines.  Participant 60715 thought he might be descended from the Godfrey line, but his DNA is quite different from the remaining participants.  It is unlikely that this person is related to Godfrey.

Three participants (49632, 57688, 115696) have identical results for 37 markers, indicating a very close relationship to each other.  None has a paper trail to Godfrey Ragsdale, whereas in the larger group described in the next paragraph, one person does.  It is likely that these three represent either a distinct Ragsdale line or the result of a nonpaternal event on the Godfrey line.  All three men have paper trails to Tennessee.  They are likely all descended from John Ragsdale, born ca. 1722, Henrico Co., VA, who had many descendants in NC and TN.

The remaining eight participants appear to be related, according to their DNA results.  Participant 49658 has a documented trail to Godfrey Ragsdale.  Six of these participants match 12/12, a seventh matches 11/12, and the eighth matches 10/12.  Normally, a 10/12 match is NOT considered good enough for demonstrating a close relationship.  I include him here tentatively.  He definitely needs to upgrade to 25 markers, as he cannot rely on his current results at all.  Of the remaining seven, two match 25/25 and are considered to have the original haplotype (H1) of Godfrey, although this conclusion is tentative.  We can track the mutations of all the other members of this group of eight in the fashion illustrated on the attachment.  This diagram is not unique, as other valid ones can be drawn.  By way of example, the original haplotype H1 suffers a single mutation at site 391 to give haplotype H2 for participant 49658.  A second mutation at site 439 then gave haplotype H4 for participant 82408.  On another line from Godfrey, a mutation occurred at site 576.  In later generations different mutations occurred on two lines, one at 456 to produce haplotype H4 for participant 56964 and another at 449 to produce H7 for participant 100188.  Three mutations occurred somewhere along two other lines from Godfrey to produce the distinct haplotypes H5 for 82433 and H6 for N60266.

We still have made no connections to any English Ragsdales, but there should be plenty of opportunities.  A good indication of our source can be obtained from the surname distribution search with The National Trust in England.  A search of the 1881 census indicates that the highest densities of Ragsdales at that time was in the county of Nottingham, with lower concentrations in three surrounding counties such as Doncaster.  In 1998, Nottingham still had the highest concentrations in England.  In addition to its surrounding counties, there were concentrations of Ragsdales in Truro (extreme southwest), Canterbury (extreme southeast), Ipswich, and Chester.  A few Ragsdales were found in greater London in the Scottish county of Perth.  Thus we need to publicize our project somehow in Notthinghamshire, and maybe we can find some relatives.

Joseph B. Lambert
Department of Chemistry
2145 Sheridan Road
Northwestern University
Evanston, IL 60208-3113
Telephone: 1-847-491-5437
Fax: 1-847-491-7713
http://chemgroups.northwestern.edu/lambert/

12 May 2008

Complete 37-marker data is back for our two newest "tested" members (David G. & David O.), so Dr. Lambert .... IT'S YOUR TURN :-)

Also I am please to announce that I just today placed a kit order for our newest member, who traces his line back to Godfrey. Stay tuned over the next month or so as his data begins to appear.

Now ... time for a commercial:

The Ragsdale Surname DNA Project General Fund is in place to help offset the cost of testing for members who need to avail themselves of this money. As of late, we have used portions of the General Fund on the last three members and, sadly, as of today, WE ARE BROKE. If you can only give $10.00, it will be greatly appreciated .... you never know ... the one who can't afford the testing just might be the one that has the information you have been searching so long and so hard for.

To donate to the general fund, simply go to this URL:

http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html

If paying by credit card/paypal, you simply fill in Ragsdale as the DNA project fund you are contributing to (there is only one Ragsdale Surname DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA.com); if paying by check (or just not comfortable with sending credit card information over the internet), there is a simple form you can print out, fill out, and mail in.

Not to put a guilt trip on anyone ( *grin* ) but I donated my $10.00 tonight twice .... with over 100 people subscribed to this mailing list,if everyone would just give $10.00 we would be sitting pretty for a while ....

Thanks!

Michael

27 April 2008

I have uploaded the pedigree of our newest participant, David Ragsdale (participant # 115696), to the site:

http://ragsdalefamily.org/dna/DavidRagsdale.pdf

Michael

12 April 2008

Final 37-marker results are in for participant 115696 and I am extremely pleased to have found a new "cousin" for myself and James Howard Ragsdale, who up until now had been languishing by ourselves in the "Jordan & William Ragsdale Group" (and we already knew we were related so really had not learned much until now). Looks like our Jordan and William Ragsdale had a brother named John Adams Ragsdale ... can't wait to learn more about this part of my family.

Also, the 25-marker results have been released on participant N60266 and it looks as though he is still tracking with what we refer to as the "Godfrey Group" ... his remaining 12 marker should be released soon.

Here is a link to the breakdown in chart form:

http://ragsdalefamily.org/12_april_2008_dna_project.htm


Your humble and obedient servant,

Michael

4 April 2008

Our two newest members, Mr. David Glen Ragsdale and Dave Ragsdale have had their 12-marker results released.

Although it is much too early to draw any conclusions, David Glen Ragsdale is tracking 12-for-12 with James Spencer Ragsdale, Henry E Ragsdale, Richard E Ragsdale, Carl Randall Ragsdale and Leonard Clinton Ragsdale, and 11-for-12 with Robert Frederick Ragsdale and Dave Ragsdale is tracking 12-for-12 with James Howard Ragsdale and Michael Wayne Ragsdale (yours truly)

Again ... it's early, and neither of these may stand the test of time (or at least the test of the remaining 25 markers).

FTDNA estimates the final markers will be released by the end of April, so stay tuned.

Also, for those that have noticed.... I have been having issues with the website as of late ... sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not. I have addressed it by totally deleting the site and re-installing it. Also, rather than continuing to host a separate server account for Ragsdale-DNA.org, all the files and data have been moved to RagsdaleFamily.org (Ragsdale-DNA.org has been disabled).

Michael Ragsdale

25 August 2007

Hey Cousins!

I would like to take this opportunity to introduce you to a new "cousin" ..... and a very welcomed new participant to the Ragsdale Surname DNA Project. Participant (Kit #) 100188 is Spencer Ragsdale. We are so very glad to have Spencer "on board" and look forward to seeing his data

Rather than me go on and on, I'll just let Spencer Ragsdale introduce himself:

I think I am a direct descendent of Peter Godfrey Ragsdale, based on information from family members (who are now long dead) and the book "Elijah Ragsdale" by June Hart Wester and Mrs. Blake Ragsdale Van Leer.

I am certain that my Georgia line goes back to Mason Ragsdale, one of the eight brothers who split up in Honea Path, South Carolina about 1828 and scattered to various parts of Georgia. Using the Wester-Van Lear data, the line goes from Mason all the way back to Peter Godfrey Ragsdale, the child who survived the Indian massacre in Virginia. But I have no other documentation of this line. At various times I have tried to go further back, but have hit a blank wall.

26 March 2007

Hi there one and all.

We have received the 12-marker y-DNA data on participant #82408, who traces to a William S. Ragsdale, c. 1890, North Carolina.

9 March 2007

Hi there one and all.

We have received the 37-marker y-DNA data on participant #82433, and it looks like we are continuing to further define/redefine the Godfrey Ragsdale y-DNA fingerprint. I will get the data transferred to the graphs/pages on the
Ragsdale-DNA.org website as soon as I can, and I excitedly await Dr. Lambert's take on this new data.

Michael
_________________________________________________________

37 Marker Analysis
Kit, Name, Distance (number of mismatches)
54757, Hiram Ragsdale, 3
56964, Godfrey Ragsdale, 3
72061, Godfrey Ragsdale, 4
49658, David Alexander B. Ragsdale, 5
49632, Jordan Ragsdale, 17
57688, William Ragsdale, 17
60715, Godfrey Ragsdale, 20

from Dr. Lambert:

OK, here goes.  We now know for sure the haplotype of Godfrey Ragsdale, even though we have seven different haplotypes out of eight analyses.  We have to go with the largest group, and that contains five people.  Your group, 49632 and 57688, has four differences in the first 12 markers from the Group of Five, and your group and the Group of Five are both four different from 60715.  For haplogroup R1b1, these are huge differences, indicating very distant common ancestors.  The fact that you and 57688 have a 37 marker match means that there is a definite second Ragsdale line, but not from Godfrey.

We can easily see the Godfrey haplotype by looking at the first five lines in the results table.  Godfrey's DYS numbers are either five out of five (the same for all members of the group) or four out of five (differing by a single mutation for only one member).  Traditionally, the progenitor's haplotype is called H1.  We have three other haplotypes on this line, which I am calling H2, H3, and H4, just in the order they were analyzed.  49658 (H2) had a mutation at 391; 56964 (H3) had two mutations, at 456 and 576; and the new 82433 (H4) had three mutations, at 438, 570, and CDYb.  Most of these mutations are in the faster moving markers found in the 26-37 test, so two or three such mutations are not unusual for a line from the 1600s.  Those percentages you quoted assumed that every marker mutates with an equal rate, but this is not the case at all.  To take into account the exact rate of mutation for each one would be the accurate thing to do, but impractical.

I have drawn a chart, which I attach as a Word file, which shows Godfrey at the top as H1 and the other three haplotypes as divergent lines.  None of these other three haplotypes can come from each other, as they have no common mutations.  I do not know if attachments survive the Rootsweb filters.  If not, just email me directly if you want a copy.  I plan to update it as other analyses come through

4 March 2007

Just wanted to update everyone ... we currently have the DNA for two new members being tested at the FTDNA lab. One is for a 12-marker y-DNA exam with no projected completion date (probably late March/early April time frame), and the other is a 37-marker y-DNA exam with a projected completion date of mid-March. I will let you know as soon as data has been released.

This will bring us to a total of nine tested members, but we still need MORE ... so start begging those fathers, brothers, and uncles to give up a little DNA in the name of family history and genealogy research.

Michael

15 January 2007

Added some items to the main page, i.e., a letter from Dr. Joseph Lambert explaining the importance of DNA testing as it pertains to Ragsdale genealogical research.

21 October 2006

We have received the 25-marker analysis for Participant 72601 which further solidifies and confirms the Godfrey Ragsdale lineage. More complete reported will be posted when the full 37-marker results are received (around the 10 November 2006)

2 June 2006

I haven't posted an update in nearly a month, so here goes.

We have one participant whose data should be released in the next week or so (scheduled release date 9 June per FTDNA). As soon as this is participant's data is available it will be posted online.

We have another potential participant who ordered his kit the 22nd of April but, as of yet, it has not been returned to FTDNA. Hopefully, we haven't lost this potential participant.

We still are in need of other participants, most especially those who have not been able to connect to the Godfrey Ragsdale line, so please spread the word amongst your family members.

More to come as it's available.

6 May 2006

Exciting news (at least from my standpoint). Up until this point in time, I had been "odd man out" as it pertains to having any degree of match with other participants in the project. This has changed! Participant #57688 and myself (#49632) have matched at 37 out of 37 loci.

So, the basic questions (at least for my line) become:

  • are we dealing with two distinct Ragsdale lines, or,
  • did all of the participants have a common ancestor in the past, and there was a "non-paternal event" that has confused the issue as it relates to DNA?

We may never know for sure, but I am hopeful that the answers will come in time through the continued hard work of all the Ragsdale researchers.

22April 2006

I just wanted to let everyone know we have a new participant as of last evening. This gentleman, participant #61629, goes back to a Peter Ragsdale, born circa 1798 (probably in Virginia but may have been North Carolina), died circa 1860. He, like some of the rest of us, has hit that notorious brick wall and has turned to genealogy by genetics for some help.

This gives us seven participants, with data back on four (data should start appearing on participant #57688 around the 1st week of May.
 
Unless something comes up between now and then, expect another update at this time.
 
Michael Ragsdale
 
PS ..... Remember.... We still need participants, so if you have not already PLEASE give consideration to joining the project, or put a little pressure on that brother or cousin or uncle and get them to join.

21 April 2006

I am very happy to report that we have another participant, #61629. This participant traces his ancestry back to a Peter Ragsdale, circa 1798 in Virginia or North Carolina. WELCOME ABOARD!

14 April 2006

The remaining markers were released this evening on participant #56964 and it appears we are well on our way to documenting the Godfrey Ragsdale y-marker DNA. The "Godfrey Group" now has three participants and all three analyze out at having a 99%+ chance of having a common ancestor, and one of the participants is our "gold standard" as it applies to the Godfrey Ragsdale line.

 
We still have two kits in the works, so it remains to be seen whether we will continue adding to the "Godfrey Group," add to Line #2, or, perhaps, start a whole new line.
 
I know I am probably beginning to sound like a broken record, but PLEASE consider joining the project and, if you can't, PLEASE talk to your brother , cousin, uncle, and so on and convince them to join in. To make this meaningful for all researchers, we need more males from lines that have hit a brick wall (these lines stand to gain the most now that the Godfrey line is being established).

13 April 2006

We are starting to receive data (markers 1-12 and 26-37 have been released) on participant #56964. Very preliminary analysis demonstrates tracking with participants #49658 & #54757 (as expected), but we are unable to run the Family Tree DNA Time Predictor analysis on anything more than 12-marker until the remainder of the results are released. The remainder of the 37-marker results will be posted as they become available.
 
Data for participant #57688 is estimated to be released around the 5th of May, but don't be surprised to see it a little sooner than that, as FTDNA historically gets results out sooner than what they estimate they will.
 
Also, we have a new participant, kit #60715. It is still very early in the process for him, but we look forward to his contribution to the project.

4 April 2006

Exciting news!

We have received the data back for participant #54757 and he is almost a perfect match (-1 out of 37 markers) with participant #49658.

According to the Family Tree DNA Time Predictor Report, there is a 58.85% probability they shared a common ancestor within in the past 4 generations (and a 99.98% probability within the past 24 generations).

Family Tree DNA Time Predictor
Version 1.2 - Patent Pending

In comparing 37 markers, the probability that #49658 & #54757 shared a common ancestor within the last...

4

generations is

58.85%

8

generations is

88.95%

12 generations

is

97.44%

16 generations

is

99.45%

20 generations

is

99.89%

24 generations

is

99.98%

I do know for a fact that participant #54757's researchers had hit that notorious "brick wall" in their research, so maybe this has knocked a few bricks down for them....#54757, meet your cousin #49658!

Hopefully, this will bring home the fact to all of you that the DNA project is a worthwhile endeavor, and we are still in need of your participation.

Spread the word that it does work after all, and join....join....join!!

Michael Ragsdale

27 March 2006

Participant #49920 has chosen to remove himself from the Ragsdale Surname DNA Project. He will continue to monitor the project from the sidelines while continuing the search for his family. I wish him the very best in his endeavors.
 

We are now waiting results on three participants (#54757, #56964, and #57688). Results are due in for participant #54757 around the 14th of April (according to FTDNA). 

 
Everyone stay tuned and PLEASE don't loose interest! We still are in need of more participants, so if you can't participate, get the word out to your male relatives. Also, don't forget the "general fund." If testing would present a financial burden, we have money to help with the cost, and, if you're able, donate $$$ to the general fund. This money can/will only be used to help defray the costs of DNA testing.
 
Michael Ragsdale
23 March 2006
 
We now have 25-marker data back on participant # 49920 and my impression is there is no match between either of the previously returned 37-marker participants (based on comparison of the same 25-markers).
 
  
Family Tree DNA Time Predictor
Version 1.2 - Patent Pending

In comparing 25 markers, the probability that #49920 and #49658 shared a common ancestor within the last...

4

generations

is

0.00%

8

generations

is

0.00%

12

generations

is

0.00%

16

generations

is

0.00%

20

generations

is

0.00%

24

generations

is

0.00%

 

11 March 2006

So far, we have five participants in the project, and as of this writing, 37-marker analysis is complete and has been posted for the first two participants.

The latest participant to sign up for testing is what I refer to (lovingly, of course *S*) as a "Gold Standard" Ragsdale, i.e., he has a well documented pedigree from Godfrey(1) through Elijah(5) through Joseph(6) and so forth.

Participation in this project is something that this individual had no incentive to do with regards to his personal genealogy. He knows his family history and very little, if anything, could possibly be gained from participating in our project.

In actuality, he does stand to gain something, though, in the knowledge that he is going to help others who are trying to document their own family histories and/or break down one of those brick walls we seem to constantly be butting up against. I cannot thank this man enough.

I would like to issue a challenge to other documented "gold standard" Ragsdale males (especially if you belong to one of the lines formed by Elijah's other sons) to also participate in this project. If money is an issue, we have the "general fund" donations we can use . . . in fact, if someone steps up from one of Elijah's other lines, I am offering to see that their participation is fully funded.

You may ask what can we gain by having two from the same basic line participate? Well, the answer is VALIDITY. By having two sets of y-marker DNA analyzed "cousins" as it were, it serves to add credibility and validity to the results, and that, after all, is what we are all looking for.

If you know someone who fits this description, but might not know of what is happening with the DNA Surname Project, PLEASE let them know we need them.

Thanks for listening . . . and thanks for participating.

There's an old saying that goes something like this: "If you're lucky enough to be Irish, you're lucky enough." I think we can truthfully change that to say " If you're lucky enough to be a Ragsdale, you're lucky enough."

Take care and God Bless . . .

Michael Ragsdale
7 March 2006 

Another update on our project.

We now have 37-marker y-DNA analysis data on two individuals, and it is looks like we "may" be dealing with two distinct and different Ragsdale paternal lines (too earlier to tell for sure with such limited participation).

Family Tree DNA Time Predictor
Version 1.2 - Patent Pending

 

In comparing 37 markers, the probability that #46985 and #46932 shared a common ancestor within the last...

4

generations

is

0.00%

8

generations

is

0.00%

12

generations

is

0.00%

16

generations

is

0.12%

20

generations

is

0.79%

24

generations

is

2.99%

4 March 2006 

Currently, there a four members of the RAGSDALE Surname DNA Project. Things are proceeding just about as expected, although it would be very nice to have one or two RAGSDALE "gold standards" participate in the project.

Member #46958 has 25 of 37 markers reported (the remainder are expected mid-March).

Member #49632 (yours truly) has 12 of 37 markers reported (the remainder are expected mid-March).

Member #49920 has zero of 25 markers reported (initial data expected mid-to-late March).

Member #54757 has zero of 37 markers reported (initial data expected late-March to Mid-April).

So, things are happening, just slower than most (or at least myself) would like, but that's the nature of the beast.

I would like to take his opportunity to again encourage ALL RAGSDALE males to participate in this project. We have the opportunity to possibly break down some brick walls with this endeavor, and thus widen the circle of RAGSDALE family members, but we must have participants to do this.

And remember, if you can't participate directly, you can still donate to the "general fund" to help defray the expenses for someone who may wish to participate and just financially can't afford it (currently there is $105.00 in the fund).

As an addition to the project through FTDNA, participants are eligible to submit their data, at no charge, to ysearch.org (the largest worldwide
public Y-DNA database with the most extensive number of markers which exceeds 17,000 records (haplotypes) and 170,000 ancestors names).

Plus, for $15.00, you can transfer your 12-marker data to the National Geographic's Genographic Project (this enables you to print out a nice Haplogroup Certificate, a Haplogroup Migration Route Map, and the Genetic History of your Haplogroup (mine is R1B [M343]).

A lot to think about .... But please do consider participating (or at the least encouraging someone else to participate).

Michael Ragsdale

25 February 2006 

I wanted to let everyone know that some initial DNA results have been posted on our FTDNA website (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ragsdale/). Partial results from two kits are in so far (more to come since we both ordered 37-marker upgrades).

No real surprises yet ... both are R1B1 haplogroup (as I would have expected).

Keep checking back as more data from these two kits is posted, plus data from the other two kits that have yet to be analyzed arrives soon.

Michael

PS .... guess now it's time to get the books out so I can figure out what all these numbers really mean.

15 February 2006 

As promised, here's another update on the progress of the RAGSDALE Surname DNA Project.

As of 15 February 206, we have 4 members (we picked up a new member today). Many thanks to those of you that have decided to join the project, but I know there has to be more RAGSDALE males (and families) who stand to benefit if there were greater participation..

According to the folks at FTDNA, we should start seeing some DNA analysis results posted sometime the first two weeks of March (for the first two kits that were returned), so everyone keep checking back.

Also, if you can't (or don't need to participate), help someone else by contributing to the RAGSDALE Surname DNA Project General Fund. We currently have $65.00 in the fund, but I Know for a fact that $20.00 more was contributed just today. Remember, this money is used ONLY to help someone who might have trouble paying for their testing.

Michael Ragsdale

7 February 2006 

36 hrs later and we now have $65.00 available in the RAGSDALE Surname DNA Project general fund to help if needed.

Thanks to the contributors (you know who you are) !!!!

Michael Ragsdale

6 February 2006 

We now have three member kits that have been received back at FTDNA. Hopefully we will begin seeing some data before too much longer.

Just a reminder ..... the Ragsdale Surname DNA Project has a general fund account (administered by FTDNA). Money in this this fund will ONLY be used to assist those individuals who quite possibly might not be able to afford the entire cost of testing (as determined by consultation between the individual(s), myself and Chris Ragsdale).

I added $20.00 to this fund today as "seed money." If everyone on the list could contribute a few dollars, we could help a cousin or two join in this effort that could very benefit ALL Ragsdale researchers.

The link to make a donation is as follows:

http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.htm

Michael

4 February 2006 

As of this date, we have three participants in the project, two of whose kits have been received back at FTDNA, and we should start seeing data in another few weeks.

As before, we need each of you help get the word out to your family members about this project. We MUST have more participants for this project to be able to give any kind of meaningful data (and, most especially, we need participants from the "established" Ragsdale lines, i.e., Godfrey Ragsdale, Elijah Ragsdale, and so on).

Please consider participating in the project or, if you are unable to do so, please consider partially (or fully) funding someone else's membership. We ALL stand to gain from the data gathered by this undertaking.

Bottom line ... for this to work, we are going to have to have more participants, so PLEASE think about this, talk it over with your kin, and go here:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ragsdale/

to order your kit(s).

Michael Ragsdale

22 January 2006 

As promised, an update on the Ragsdale Surname DNA Project:

As of this date, we have only two participants in the project (which has been more than a little disappointing to me), both of their kits have been received back at FTDNA, and we should start seeing data in 4-6 weeks or so. Interestingly, both these participants (yes, I'm one of them) have gone on and upgraded to the 37 marker Y-DNA test.

Please, I need each of you help get the word out to your family members about this project. We have to have more participants for this project to be able to give any kind of meaningful data, and most especially we need participants from the "established" Ragsdale lines, i.e., Godfrey Ragsdale, Elijah Ragsdale, and so on. The two participants we presently have both hit "brick walls" back in the early 1800's, so we need other participants who can help knock these walls down.

The test itself is painless so I know that's not what is holding participants back.

Is it the expense? If so, get with your brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and cousins and so on, and all of you share the cost to have a couple of participants tested.

Bottom line ... for this to work, we are going to have to have more participants, so PLEASE think about this, talk it over with your kin, and go here:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ragsdale/

to order your kit(s).

Michael Ragsdale

29 December 2005 

Good morning one and all.

We now have two RAGSDALE males who have signed and have kits ordered, but we most definitely need MORE (I noticed there were two other RAGSDALE males who had been tested by FTDNA before the project began, so maybe they will read this and have FTDNA move their data to the project).

As I tried to explain earlier, we need males from as many lines as we can identify but more important than that, especially at the start, we need males from what I refer to as the "gold standard lines" (i.e., the ones who can document their lineage from Godfrey, Elijah, and so on).

There are bound to be RAGSDALE descendants who, for one reason or another will not be able to participate, such as when there are no longer any living males in their line or possibly they just cannot afford the cost of the testing. The latter is where the RAGSDALE Surname DNA Project General Fund comes in.

The general fund is setup through FTDNA as a place where interested and caring individuals can make donations to help offset the cost of testing for those in need (perhaps you have no males in your family, but you want to see the testing proceed and succeed, or you are part of a well established line and want to help someone else with the cost of testing). You can contribute any amount you desire (it does not have to be the cost of a test, it can be $5.00 if that's what you'd like to give). This money is placed in a general fund accessible only by the RAGSDALE surname DNA project administrators and can ONLY be applied to offset the fee when we have a potential donor who just can't afford the entire amount.

One thing to consider: Let's say you had RAGSDALE "A" who had six sons, and they each had six sons. All of the six sons and thirty-six grandsons DO NOT need to be tested. It is my understanding if you test one of the them, the results are valid for the others. In this situation, all the other cousins could help pay for the one cousin to be tested, or they could all make a small contribution to the general fund to help a "cousin" they possibly haven't met yet.

Follow this link and you can see how easy it is to make a contribution:

http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.htm

Again, let me assure you that any money contributed will go to the RAGSDALE Surname DNA Project and can/will be used only to help offset the testing fees for those in need.

Michael Ragsdale (michael.ragsdale@comcast.net)
Chris Ragsdale (CMRagsdale@aol.com)

27 December 2005 

I just wanted to take this opportunity to let everyone know the I/we have taken the "scientific plunge" (so to speak). We now have a RAGSDALE Surname DNA Project open at FamilyTreeDNA.

So far, I am the only member (my 12-marker test kit is "in the mail") but I hope to recruit many more RAGSDALE males soon.

If you, like myself, have been considering this but were a little put off by the price, note that by becoming a member of the Surname project, there is a substantial savings on the cost of the 12-marker DNA analysis ($99.00 as opposed to $159.00 for non-member testing), so hopefully this will be enough incentive for others to join and relinquish some cheek cells.

I have asked Chris Ragsdale to co-administer the project with me and she has graciously agreed.

The public website at FamilyTreeDNA is:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ragsdale/

Also, there is more information located on
http://www.ragsdalefamily.org

What we need most of all (while in the start-up mode) is DNA from well documented/confirmed lineages, e.g., back to Godfrey RAGSDALE and even further back if possible. This will give us the "gold standard" to compare other DNA results to.

I am looking forward to finding some new cousins!

Happy New Year!

Michael Ragsdale